Kevin ([info]kworces) wrote,
@ 2008-10-10 21:55:00
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General Election, 2008

Recently a friend sent an email to me encouraging me to vote for John McCain. For anyone who is interested, a trimmed down version of my response is behind the cut.

I was strongly in McCain's camp in 2000 and was pretty disappointed when he lost the nomination... so much so that I wrote his name on the ballot for the general, fully knowing it didn't count since he wasn't declared as a candidate.

Anyway, if you'd told me then that he'd be the Republican nominee in 2008 I'd have thought you were nuts. I would want to believe it, but there's no way you convince me he'd survive the primary season. And as hard as it would be to convince me in 2000 that McCain would be the 2008 Republican nominee, it would be harder still to convince me that I would be supporting the Democratic candidate.

Why Obama? It probably has more to do with my disgust for the way the national GOP has been acting for the last 8 years. I lean right on economic issues and I lean left on social issues. I'd be a moderate libertarian if such a thing was allowed. So my support basically comes down to this:

Anti-GOP (all apply to McCain):

  • I like the current left/right balance on the Supreme Court. Republican appointed judges would cause a lurch to the right.
  • Questioning the patriotism of anyone who objects to abuse of executive power and protection of the rights of the accused.
  • Using fear/terrorism for political gain.
  • Being weaselly about torture
  • Everything about social conservative absolutism that any Republican candidate needs to support if he wants voters to show up in November.
  • The neo-conservative agenda for "transforming" the Middle East via Iraq. We've created some pretty nasty monsters in the last 50+ years by destabilizing regions and setting up puppet governments, and we're still doing it today.

Anti-McCain:

  • His support for the torture bill in 2006
  • Palin--my mind was made up long before she was picked, but she certainly doesn't help

Pro-Obama:

  • Doesn't demonize his opponents
  • Temperament--he's stable, respectful, and thoughtful
  • I appreciate his sense of community and public service
  • A clean break with Bush's foreign policy is needed to start repairing our image overseas. Regardless of how much is substance and how much is style, we get more accomplished with our neighbors if they don't see us as a bully.
  • I like the image of a mixed-race POTUS--I'd be lying if I said race wasn't a factor
  • Inverse of everything under the Anti-GOP list

I'm not voting for Obama just because he's anti-Bush. I certainly would have voted libertarian if Hillary Clinton had been the Democratic nominee (I think she shares some of Bush's worst qualities--hyper-secretive, politicizing everything, and intolerant of disagreement). Obama is the first major party candidate that I've ever supported for the general election. I'm very enthusiastic about voting for him in the fall.

(yes, this is a shorter version)




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[info]cuddlebum
2008-10-11 03:57 pm UTC (link)
Yay for you =) Our votes are already in.

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[info]kworces
2008-10-11 06:05 pm UTC (link)
Vote by mail? Or early voting at a polling place? I have my ballot filled out, but haven't mailed it yet.

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[info]cuddlebum
2008-10-11 08:28 pm UTC (link)
We voted by mail. I don't think you can vote early at any of the polling places, but I could be wrong.

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[info]droidbiker
2008-10-11 04:26 pm UTC (link)
Well said.

I was actually a bit more neutral until recently. I preferred Obama (definitely over Clinton) primarily because he doesn't try to give simple, soundbite answers to complex questions. He's willing to find a middle ground. I had (and have) some concerns about his effectiveness. At the same time I felt that "President McCain" would still be a huge step up from George Bush.

The turning point for me was the Saddleback forum. Since then McCain has been doing everything possible to appeal to the extreme right. He's remade himself into something I can't support under any circumstances. His choice of Palin as his running mate cemented the decision for me. She embodies everything I despise about the extreme right wing and with McCain's age and poor health the chances of her winding up as president are high.

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[info]kworces
2008-10-11 05:57 pm UTC (link)
Re: Saddleback / extreme right

Sean Quinn at FiveThirtyEight.com has been traveling around battleground states visiting field offices. The major observation he's had about the McCain field offices is that they would be empty without Palin--she's the one generating all the volunteer enthusiasm (though it's waned a bit in the last few weeks). McCain couldn't appeal to that base on his own, and the GOP would have no GOTV operation without those volunteers. He was in a no-win position--Lose the right or lose the center. With party ID favoring Democrats he had to win both, and the extreme right has been getting its way long enough that they don't want to compromise anything.

I wonder how things might have been different if McCain had picked Huckabee. Huck would have galvanized the social conservative volunteers and given McCain the populist credibility he desperately needs now. The economic conservatives would have been angry about it--but that's where he is right now anyway. He'd get all the benefits of Palin without the drawbacks.

Anyway, I'd highly recommend the "on the road" series at fivethirtyeight.com to get a little flavor for what is going on around the country. There are photo slideshows of every stop, some really great pictures.

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[info]kworces
2008-10-11 06:04 pm UTC (link)
I should add, that while I didn't plan to vote for the Republican candidate regardless, I was glad when McCain won during the primaries. I had high hopes that McCain V. Obama would be a respectful campaign with both competing for the center.

I only started paying attention to McCain in 2000. Turns out he may never have been the man I thought he was: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain. There's a heavy slant to that article, but enough historical data points in it to give me serious doubts about McCain's real character.

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[info]thelighteternal
2008-10-12 06:35 pm UTC (link)
Someone I was talking to on a different forum had this to say - I thought you might like it:

"Jesus never said a word about homosexuality, and I think we can infer his attitude towards them from his attitude towards everyone else that his society had dubbed sexual sinners. He rebuffed and subverted every effort to turn his ministry into a political movement. He didn't get angry about much.

But if you wanted to really, really piss him off, try misguided public piety and misleading the innocent."

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[info]kworces
2008-10-12 11:02 pm UTC (link)
Spot on, though I think it's unlikely to persuade. Christians can push for public policy while claiming to "love the sinner, hate the sin". One could also point to John 8. Jesus defends a woman from those who would stone her for adultery, and then tells her to "Go now and leave your life of sin". He rebukes her accusers without approving of her behavior. One might also say "Jesus wasn't political because he had more important things to do. We, however, have too much time on our hands."

I completely agree with the sentiment of the quote, but I'm not sure how effective it is in changing minds.

Christians really need to learn something about church history--some very compelling arguments for separation of church and state there, in particular for protestants.

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[info]bigbenaugust
2008-10-16 05:18 pm UTC (link)
And to think, you used to not vote at all. :)

This will be the first time I don't support a major party candidate. I liked McCain in 2000, but he's moved way off to the right and his selection of Palin is a flippin' joke (unless you're most of my family). I still think Obama is all slick show and will be no go. But I have pretty much resigned to his victory because the media is quite enamored with him.

But hey, I'll be in Rio for the election, drinking capirinhas and eating pao de queijo while the US continues falling apart.

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[info]kworces
2008-10-17 06:06 am UTC (link)
I think my exact words were: "Don't vote, it only encourages them."

But yeah, I started voting in the General in 2000. Of all the elections since (on/off, primary/general) I've only missed one, and that was deliberate. Once I get cranky about something it's hard for me to turn it off. The 2000 primary really pushed my buttons.

Obama appeals to me more on temperament than policy. If he turns out to be all flash and no substance... IMHO that's a pretty big step up from what we have now.

Sorry... my contempt is showing again. Need sleep....

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[info]bigbenaugust
2008-10-17 05:45 pm UTC (link)
 I think my exact words were: "Don't vote, it only encourages them."


This was a very long time ago.

 If he turns out to be all flash and no substance... IMHO that's a pretty big step up from what we have now.


You're probably right. And that is a really sad commentary.

I really love that the Alaskans decided that Palin abused her power in firing the state public safety commissioner... thus making her an ideal Republican candidate to follow in Bush/Cheney's footsteps.

And it makes me sad that with the bailout and the bank buyouts, the current administration just totally bankrupted the next administration, regardless of who's at the helm. So regardless of what everyone's promising, there just won't be money for it.

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